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I'd be interested in hearing thoughts about Mosaic Commons & co-housing.
Date: 2008-12-29 11:42 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com
I love co-housing - in theory.

In practice, it is a housing situation that pretty much requires that you not only like your neighbors, but love them. :-) A home that includes group dynamics. This is a bit risky. SCA group dynamics doubly so. :-)

Fiscally, I think it is not sensible at all, especially in this climate. The sale of shared property (condo's and co-ops) is already down a long way, and one that requires the level of social entanglements of co-housing seems particularly to be a one-way situation. My guess is that for most such situations, you buy: you keep.

Given the general fiscal environment, I'd be concerned about both Mosaic Commons and Camelot (which is what I suspect you are really interested in). If new residents fail to secure and close on their mortgages, things could get dicey. I'd also be concerned about the fiscal position of their equivalent of a condo/co-op board.

These are all generalizations: I have nothing in particular to say about Mosaic/Camelot, except that Hudson is very far away, and that it seems that development has slowed, dramatically, from original plans.

If I were serious about investigating it, the one thing I would be sure to do is: wait. Wait for the construction to largely complete, wait for the current buyers to close on the deal, wait to see how the community dynamic forms and how the shared costs are allocated and managed. It's all in something of a Heisenberg state right now, and the advantages of being a first-mover (control and influence over pre-construction features and layout, as well as unit allocation), well, those advantages have passed, it seems to me.
Date: 2008-12-29 04:12 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] calygrey.livejournal.com
Yeah, ditto. Be careful of the financial aspects. You don't want to buy an unfinished house in a development that is short on cash. (Been there; done that.) The problem now may be that other houses have gone way down in price, which will mean far fewer people willing to shell out for these houses. Waiting until they are done might be a good idea.

[NB: Mosaic Commons/Camelot is in Berlin, one town further out from Hudson.]
Date: 2008-12-29 05:30 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
Yup - the houses are almost done and being inspected soon. I was out there with my mom & Val looking yesterday. It's a really nice site & layout.
Date: 2008-12-29 05:35 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] calygrey.livejournal.com
Voice of experience: "almost" done is a very, very long way from "done".
Date: 2008-12-29 05:44 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
oh yes - but I'm pretty sure they'll be done before I think too seriously :-)
Date: 2008-12-29 08:29 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com
Thanks for reminding me. I think of it as "Hudson or somewhere about there". :-)

I'm a city boy, so it's all "too far away" for me. :-)

(And I forgot to mention, not just other people, but their pets, too...)
Date: 2008-12-29 02:05 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] lillibet.livejournal.com
Do you know Alex & Jenise? They live in Cambridge Cohousing and I'm sure would be happy to talk to you about it. I can arrange an email introduction if you don't already know them.
Date: 2008-12-29 03:20 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
Thanks - I do know them. I didn't realize that they were in the Cambridge Cohousing. Interesting...
Date: 2008-12-29 04:44 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] elizabear.livejournal.com
Rozi and Brokk are in Camelot, too.

And I have a friend in Cambridge CH, too, though he was one of the founders so he's been involved since conception.

Date: 2008-12-29 05:27 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
Hmm, cool & thanks for the info :-)
I went out & saw Mosaic Commons with my mom & her partner, since they are working on moving up here & were interested.

It got me thinking about it a lot too; I really enjoyed living in a group house & community is really nice. I'm not really doing SCA much now, between time, kids, and a bit of "been there, done that". The idea of kids being able to grow up with a close community is really nice too.

Berlin is very far out, though good for tech jobs on 495. Of course, I can't both like the setting of having woods and such to wander through & grumble about it being more rural than I'm used to.
Date: 2008-12-30 03:56 am (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] tpau
i believe they are not anymore. however, DAve and Erica are, and Anton and Denise, and a chunk of Lochlevin
Date: 2008-12-29 03:34 pm (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] tpau
well, i am a member of CAmelot, which is a sister-group to Mosaic.

the moniker i have heard used about the two groups was that Camelot is geeks with hippy tendencies and Mosaic is Hippies with geek tendencies

the economic climate sucks for housing right now, and the houses in both communities cost what they cost, regardless of how the bank evaluates them. none the less, iam still continuing with moving to Camelot, because the advantages of the community living outweigh the drawbacs i think
Date: 2008-12-29 04:54 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ghislaine.livejournal.com
And I'm a member of Mosaic (not sure if you knew that?). I've been involved with the project since almost the beginning (summer of 2000) so obviously I'm highly committed and invested - so take that as it is.

Goldsquare and Calygray make fair points (except that you would be buying a finished home at this point since we're getting certificates of occupancy as I type) about the financials. It's not without risks, but those of us that have gone forward to this point feel that the benefits of community outweigh the temporary economic climate.

Coming to see the communities and meeting folks to decide if you're interested in considering the financial risks/benefits carries no commitment. We have folks check us out all the time for varying lengths of time. Some stay, some don't. It's all fine.

And btw, I think ya'll would be a great fit in either group!
Date: 2008-12-29 05:21 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
Thanks :-) I didn't knoww that,though I did know that there were folks in our social circle involved with both.
Date: 2008-12-29 05:13 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] dbang.livejournal.com
Hey Alia! It was nice to meet you and your several-generation family yesterday. I won't answer your question here about MC/CC because I'm obviously much too biased. But I agree with [livejournal.com profile] ghislaine that you (and your mom of course!) would be a good fit.
Date: 2008-12-29 05:20 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sichling.livejournal.com
Hi Diane & thanks. It was very nice to meet you too!
I think my mom & her partner are definitely interested and
figuring things out.

I've liked the idea of co-housing in theory, but I'm not sure that being so far from the city is for us. Thinking about it lots though, as you can see :-)

The site & design are really quite lovely and there's a lot of appeal to the idea.
Date: 2008-12-29 05:26 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] dbang.livejournal.com
That's always nice to hear. I imagine that if S&V move in that you'll become an adjunct member of the community anyway (can you say "free babysitting" :-) so I'm sure we'll be seeing you around one way or another :-)

Enjoy!
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